Comments on: Tagging and the new Tags Tree http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/ Surfulater, the journey continues... Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:22:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: nevf http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-55619 nevf Sat, 03 May 2008 00:13:53 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-55619 @Mark, I would have thought the current Knowledge Tree would let you organize articles into an outline. @Joel, I have thought about auto-tagging and also allowing rules to be specified to control which folders (or tags) articles went into. However the system I personally favour is having a list of relevant tags deduced which you can select from. @Ed, Evernote seem to be making a major change in direction. The first pre-release of Surfulater out in the next few days includes a Tree with Tags along with the Tags associated with all articles for each Tag, displayed one level below each Tag. This is akin to the Delicious Firefox add-in mentioned on the forum by Taras here: http://www.softasitgets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1547 Prior to Taras's post I was thinking of enabling users to specify Tag search expressions which would appear as virtual Tags in the tree. For example you could specify "car and ford and not 2006" and all matching articles would be displayed. This may well be added in the future, but first I want see what folks think of the current implementation. @Mark, I would have thought the current Knowledge Tree would let you organize articles into an outline.

@Joel, I have thought about auto-tagging and also allowing rules to be specified to control which folders (or tags) articles went into. However the system I personally favour is having a list of relevant tags deduced which you can select from.

@Ed, Evernote seem to be making a major change in direction. The first pre-release of Surfulater out in the next few days includes a Tree with Tags along with the Tags associated with all articles for each Tag, displayed one level below each Tag. This is akin to the Delicious Firefox add-in mentioned on the forum by Taras here: http://www.softasitgets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1547

Prior to Taras’s post I was thinking of enabling users to specify Tag search expressions which would appear as virtual Tags in the tree. For example you could specify “car and ford and not 2006″ and all matching articles would be displayed. This may well be added in the future, but first I want see what folks think of the current implementation.

]]> By: Ed Nadie http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-55537 Ed Nadie Thu, 01 May 2008 20:47:41 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-55537 I am looking for a replacement for Evernote because their new direction removes the main features that made the application useful to me. For me tags have become necessary in an information manager. Besides the hierarchical tag-tree structure you show, and the auto-tagging feature mentioned by Josh, I also need to be able to form inclusion and exclusion sets of tags like Evernote 2.2's 'interaction panel' (only hopefully more complete); and also be able to constrain searches to any particular set. I am looking for a replacement for Evernote because their new direction removes the main features that made the application useful to me.

For me tags have become necessary in an information manager. Besides the hierarchical tag-tree structure you show, and the auto-tagging feature mentioned by Josh, I also need to be able to form inclusion and exclusion sets of tags like Evernote 2.2′s ‘interaction panel’ (only hopefully more complete); and also be able to constrain searches to any particular set.

]]> By: Joel http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-55364 Joel Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:14:10 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-55364 Tagging looks great--can't wait! Earlier versions of EverNote, which I dropped a long time ago in favor of Surfulater, did have one nice feature which would be useful if implemented in Surfulater. This was "auto-tagging" (not sure if they called it that): you could define a keyword and all articles which included that word would automatically be tagged. For instance, if you defined the word "China" as a keyword, any material containing that word that you clipped to the application would appear in the taglist for China. Tagging looks great–can’t wait!
Earlier versions of EverNote, which I dropped a long time ago in favor of Surfulater, did have one nice feature which would be useful if implemented in Surfulater. This was “auto-tagging” (not sure if they called it that): you could define a keyword and all articles which included that word would automatically be tagged. For instance, if you defined the word “China” as a keyword, any material containing that word that you clipped to the application would appear in the taglist for China.

]]> By: Mark Edwards http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-54931 Mark Edwards Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:52:34 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-54931 This will definitely add utility. Thank you. It may seem unfair immediately to ask for more but here goes anyway : Tagging would be most useful to me if it worked like an outline, where you could rearrange the order of the folders. Better yet would be the ability to nest folders within folders on the model of an outline. This would allow writers to collect and organize (i.e., outline) the information for an article or chapter. Some other programs that do this--but don't do other things as well as Surfulater--are Zoot and the old Ecco Pro. This will definitely add utility. Thank you.

It may seem unfair immediately to ask for more but here goes anyway :

Tagging would be most useful to me if it worked like an outline, where you could rearrange the order of the folders.

Better yet would be the ability to nest folders within folders on the model of an outline.

This would allow writers to collect and organize (i.e., outline) the information for an article or chapter. Some other programs that do this–but don’t do other things as well as Surfulater–are Zoot and the old Ecco Pro.

]]> By: jak http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53927 jak Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:18:16 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53927 it looks good enough to eat. 'nuf said. ;) it looks good enough to eat. ‘nuf said. ;)

]]> By: Paola http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53798 Paola Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:10:28 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53798 Great system tag. In the past sometime I left Surfulater to use Ultrarecall or MyBaseDesktop but always came back. Now with your tag I'll never go away anymore. May I ask (but I don't Know if it possibile) more icons and customizable fonts in the tree, they're a little small now and I don't know how make it bigger Many thanks indeed ciao Paola Great system tag. In the past sometime I left Surfulater to use Ultrarecall or MyBaseDesktop but always came back. Now with your tag I’ll never go away anymore. May I ask (but I don’t Know if it possibile) more icons and customizable fonts in the tree, they’re a little small now and I don’t know how make it bigger
Many thanks indeed
ciao Paola

]]> By: Ed Taylor http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53517 Ed Taylor Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:02:06 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53517 Very nice! Very nice!

]]> By: Steve Zeoli http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53309 Steve Zeoli Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:28:48 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53309 The tags feature looks very powerful. I'm eager to get my hands on it. The tags feature looks very powerful. I’m eager to get my hands on it.

]]> By: David Laing http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53269 David Laing Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:15:15 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53269 Neville, I'm thrilled at the fast progress you're making - and I can't wait to start using Surfulater with tags. Fantastic news! Cheers David Neville, I’m thrilled at the fast progress you’re making – and I can’t wait to start using Surfulater with tags. Fantastic news!

Cheers
David

]]> By: Alexander Deliyannis http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53253 Alexander Deliyannis Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:27:21 +0000 http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/03/25/tagging-and-the-new-tags-tree/#comment-53253 The tag tree is simply beautiful! Now I can see what you meant sometime ago that more views are possible with the tree component you have created. I also like your attention to detail: "A prompt is displayed allowing you to Cancel a rename where the new name already exists, preventing the articles from being moved and merged." Indeed, a powerful system should offer protection from the users themselves :-) Cheers, keep up the great work! alx The tag tree is simply beautiful! Now I can see what you meant sometime ago that more views are possible with the tree component you have created.

I also like your attention to detail: “A prompt is displayed allowing you to Cancel a rename where the new name already exists, preventing the articles from being moved and merged.” Indeed, a powerful system should offer protection from the users themselves :-)

Cheers, keep up the great work!

alx

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