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	<title>Comments on: Tag Management &#8211; Live Example Page</title>
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		<title>By: Avi Deitcher</title>
		<link>http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/07/17/tag-management-live-example-page/#comment-61768</link>
		<dc:creator>Avi Deitcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John,

We are leaving &quot;add to rows&quot; out for now, simply because of overhead, but will get it into 3.2, if the interest is there. To respond to your other questions:

1. You can type them in, comma-separated, and then they are added. The sample only does type-ahead for the first, as you probably noticed, but the live version in Surfulater does it for each tag.

2. That is a good idea. Usually, it is just a row on top. We will add that to the list, again, later release.

3. Tag-Groups: interesting idea, but would require more thought, such as how to make the management clean and easy.

Avi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John,</p>
<p>We are leaving &#8220;add to rows&#8221; out for now, simply because of overhead, but will get it into 3.2, if the interest is there. To respond to your other questions:</p>
<p>1. You can type them in, comma-separated, and then they are added. The sample only does type-ahead for the first, as you probably noticed, but the live version in Surfulater does it for each tag.</p>
<p>2. That is a good idea. Usually, it is just a row on top. We will add that to the list, again, later release.</p>
<p>3. Tag-Groups: interesting idea, but would require more thought, such as how to make the management clean and easy.</p>
<p>Avi</p>
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		<title>By: John Hanna</title>
		<link>http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/07/17/tag-management-live-example-page/#comment-61738</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When using the &quot;new tags&quot; feature &quot;add to rows&quot; seems most useful.

Two aspects that seem missing...

1. suppose a bunch of existing tags need to be added? How could multiple tags be selected in the &quot;new tags&quot; slot to be added in one step?

2. for the remove/keep operation, could an item be added to check or uncheck ALL, to avoid having to go down the list one-by-one?

Possibly a useful feature would be to have &quot;Tag Groups&quot; - named groups of tags, so that if a tag-group-name is used, all the member tags would be added. The groupnames could be identified with a special lead character in the name (e.g., &quot;&amp;&quot;, like &amp;groupname). These groups could be displayed in the tag panel too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When using the &#8220;new tags&#8221; feature &#8220;add to rows&#8221; seems most useful.</p>
<p>Two aspects that seem missing&#8230;</p>
<p>1. suppose a bunch of existing tags need to be added? How could multiple tags be selected in the &#8220;new tags&#8221; slot to be added in one step?</p>
<p>2. for the remove/keep operation, could an item be added to check or uncheck ALL, to avoid having to go down the list one-by-one?</p>
<p>Possibly a useful feature would be to have &#8220;Tag Groups&#8221; &#8211; named groups of tags, so that if a tag-group-name is used, all the member tags would be added. The groupnames could be identified with a special lead character in the name (e.g., &#8220;&amp;&#8221;, like &amp;groupname). These groups could be displayed in the tag panel too.</p>
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		<title>By: avi</title>
		<link>http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/07/17/tag-management-live-example-page/#comment-61650</link>
		<dc:creator>avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John,

We tried the 3-way on a number of testers, many were confused. Personally, we think it is great, because it provides three states in a single widget. Practically, the confusion level was too high. For now, we are likely to stick with the &quot;Remove&quot; option. The nice thing about this decision is that as we get a broad user base, we can always change it in the future.

These live examples are not in 2.94, but the correct ones will be in 3.0GA.

Avi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John,</p>
<p>We tried the 3-way on a number of testers, many were confused. Personally, we think it is great, because it provides three states in a single widget. Practically, the confusion level was too high. For now, we are likely to stick with the &#8220;Remove&#8221; option. The nice thing about this decision is that as we get a broad user base, we can always change it in the future.</p>
<p>These live examples are not in 2.94, but the correct ones will be in 3.0GA.</p>
<p>Avi</p>
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		<title>By: John Hanna</title>
		<link>http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/07/17/tag-management-live-example-page/#comment-61649</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the keep/remove options, the 3-way is clearest. Very similar to setting formats in MS Word when a selected mix of several formats is being changed.

Best to have the &quot;use&quot; column, which avoids remembering the context of changing process (keep or remove).

One issue, in 3-way, after making a change, the &quot;-&quot; indicator can never be restored. Makes sense, but the benefit of also having the other &quot;in all&quot; column to indicate initial state should be considered.

I tried the new 2.9.4 release, and didn&#039;t see these &quot;live example&quot; options. Are they not included?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the keep/remove options, the 3-way is clearest. Very similar to setting formats in MS Word when a selected mix of several formats is being changed.</p>
<p>Best to have the &#8220;use&#8221; column, which avoids remembering the context of changing process (keep or remove).</p>
<p>One issue, in 3-way, after making a change, the &#8220;-&#8221; indicator can never be restored. Makes sense, but the benefit of also having the other &#8220;in all&#8221; column to indicate initial state should be considered.</p>
<p>I tried the new 2.9.4 release, and didn&#8217;t see these &#8220;live example&#8221; options. Are they not included?</p>
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		<title>By: John Hanna</title>
		<link>http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/07/17/tag-management-live-example-page/#comment-61642</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great about the plan for consistency (per #2).

One question - will it be possible to take a whole tag set or group of tags from one KB and copy it into another KB to use for tagging there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great about the plan for consistency (per #2).</p>
<p>One question &#8211; will it be possible to take a whole tag set or group of tags from one KB and copy it into another KB to use for tagging there?</p>
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		<title>By: John Hanna</title>
		<link>http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/07/17/tag-management-live-example-page/#comment-61641</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also noted... punctuation can be included in the tags. I tried &quot;person: john, person: fred&quot; and it made the correct two tags.

Is comma &quot;,&quot; the tag separator? And which punctuation characters are allowed in tags?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also noted&#8230; punctuation can be included in the tags. I tried &#8220;person: john, person: fred&#8221; and it made the correct two tags.</p>
<p>Is comma &#8220;,&#8221; the tag separator? And which punctuation characters are allowed in tags?</p>
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		<title>By: avi</title>
		<link>http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/07/17/tag-management-live-example-page/#comment-61640</link>
		<dc:creator>avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is certainly the intent. We would not want to confuse you by having it work one way in one window and another way in another (and imagine the support burden if we did!).

Avi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is certainly the intent. We would not want to confuse you by having it work one way in one window and another way in another (and imagine the support burden if we did!).</p>
<p>Avi</p>
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		<title>By: John Hanna</title>
		<link>http://blog.surfulater.com/2008/07/17/tag-management-live-example-page/#comment-61639</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whitespace handling &quot;allowed&quot; option works just right. I could enter several multi-word tags separated by commas, and have them saved.

Would the tagging of single articles (in the article template) work the same way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whitespace handling &#8220;allowed&#8221; option works just right. I could enter several multi-word tags separated by commas, and have them saved.</p>
<p>Would the tagging of single articles (in the article template) work the same way?</p>
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